[Tfn-suggestions] Fw: MI-5,Persecution (use2) - Leant On 7/4/96

[Robert Naughton]

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> From: Green <Green@guidion.demon.co.uk>
> Newsgroups:
uk.misc,uk.politics,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.british
> Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution: Why Aren't the British Police Doing
Their Job?
> Reply-To: Green@guidion.demon.co.uk
> Date: Sun Apr  7 21:13:30 1996
>
> In article <DpIE0r.736.0.bloor@torfree.net>
>            bu765@torfree.net "Mike Corley" writes:
>
> > Last Easter (1995) I went into the local police station in London
and spoke to
> > an officer about the harassment against me. But I couldn't provide
tangible
> > evidence; what people said, in many cases years ago, is beyond
proof, and
> > without something to support my statements I cannot expect a police
officer to
> > take the complaint seriously.
>
> This in itself dos not suggest that the police have it in for you.
> The old bill operates on extremely tight spending limits forced on
> them by that pillock Michael Howard, and without evidence, they
> often have higher priorities than chasing something that cannot go
> to court.
>
> I doubt that the police are actually being leant on, but they probably
> realise that if they looked into this, they would be leant on hard.
> The met always stays away from anything that looks like it has
Defence,
> Security or secret service interest already, because they realise that
> they are below these government agencies in the general pecking order.
>
> This attitude was made clear in a TV show where a left wing comedian
> heckled some aristocratic Tory candidate in a local election.  The
> police officer gave the comic a ticking off, even though you could see
> that this young copper sympathised with the comedian, and regarded
> the Tory as an upper-crust wanker.  He said, and I quote "I'm giving
you
> the ticking off and not him because he's a Lord and I'm a Police
Constable."
>
> If I walked into my local nick and complained that MI5 were snooping
on me,
> they would show me the door without even looking at my evidence,
because
> that bored desk seargant with only five years to go before he retires
> doesn't want to start fucking about with somebody who has incurred the
> wrath of Stella Rimington.  He would rather deal with the lost dogs
and
> driving licence producers, eat his cheese and pickle sandwiches and
piss
> off home at the end of his shift than have some high ranking spook
having
> a go at his boss and getting him a bollocking.
>
> In short, you have earned much sympathy but little surprise.  Just
remember
> that saying about the enemy of your enemies.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
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> *  You have just read the opinons of :    *  "Common sense is merely
the set *
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>
> Subject: Re: MI5 Persecution: Why Aren't the British Police Doing
Their Job?
> Newsgroups:
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> Followup-To:
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> References: <DpIE0r.736.0.bloor@torfree.net>
> Organization: Toronto Free-Net
> Distribution:
>
>
> >This in itself dos not suggest that the police have it in for you.
> >The old bill operates on extremely tight spending limits forced on
> >them by that pillock Michael Howard, and without evidence, they
> >often have higher priorities than chasing something that cannot go
> >to court.
>
> I think the police know well what's going on. It is up to them to do
> something about it. They know I've made a complaint at a police
station.
> I could probably do more to try to help myself (I think someone
suggested
> making a written complaint to the chief constable) but even then I
nthink
> they would not take action.
>
> >
> >I doubt that the police are actually being leant on, but they
probably
> >realise that if they looked into this, they would be leant on hard.
> >The met always stays away from anything that looks like it has
Defence,
> >Security or secret service interest already, because they realise
that
> >they are below these government agencies in the general pecking
order.
> >
> So we have a situation where the security service breaks the law,
> everyone knows MI5 breaks the law, and the police won't investigate
> crimes that would otherwise earn a jail sentence.
>
> Oh good, I'm really glad the UK is a democracy. (<sarcasm>, for those
of
> you who didn't catch that)
>
> >If I walked into my local nick and complained that MI5 were snooping
on me,
> >they would show me the door without even looking at my evidence,
because
> >that bored desk seargant with only five years to go before he retires
> >doesn't want to start fucking about with somebody who has incurred
the
> >wrath of Stella Rimington.  He would rather deal with the lost dogs
and
> >driving licence producers, eat his cheese and pickle sandwiches and
piss
> >off home at the end of his shift than have some high ranking spook
having
> >a go at his boss and getting him a bollocking.
>
> In this case I think it is 'high-ranking' police officers who are
aware
> of the persecution, they know a complaint has been made, and they're
> doing nothing. What is more, I don't think there is anything I can do
> that would make them take action, both because they may be being
'leant
> on' and through the wider view that it could be deleterious to the
state
> to have a persecution by state organs exposed.
>
> They're wrong in taking that point of view, because sooner or later
this
> will all out anyway, and they it will be n years of police inaction
> (n>=6) that will be questioned.
>
> >
> >In short, you have earned much sympathy but little surprise.  Just
remember
> >that saying about the enemy of your enemies.
> >
> >Have a nice day.
>